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hello this is martin willis and welcome

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to the everything else show i remember

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i think it was about 10 years or so ago

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i read the book uh hunt for the

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skinwalker

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uh colm kelleher and george knapp wrote

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that and i it was a book i couldn't put

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down

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uh i was just totally amazed even if

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part of it was true

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i would think that skinwalker ranch has

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to be the most unique place in the world

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and we're here tonight

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to talk with the

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owner

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and also the

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lead scientist or principal investigator

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i should call him so uh

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when

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the ranch sold i remember a number of

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years ago i remember hearing

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bigelow sold the ranch

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who bought it you know and that was like

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everyone

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that i know was asking the same question

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no one knew for quite a while

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and all of a sudden i started hearing

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this name brandon fugle uh out there and

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like oh

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so

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that is it and

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anyway that's the person so

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i was pretty excited when i heard that

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the history channel was starting a

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series on this

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really excited to have these two

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gentlemen

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on the show

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uh i'm getting some feedback i'm just

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trying to take care of something here at

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the same time so anyway uh i am ready to

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bring in our guests this evening and

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pretty excited to welcome gentlemen

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brandon and eric welcome to both of you

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good evening so uh

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brandon you come to us from las vegas

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right in that area salt lake city

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i'm sorry salt lake city yes i'm

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currently in my office in salt lake city

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eric

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ever vigilant in the command center out

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at the ranch yeah right at the ranch

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which is pretty exciting so uh i love

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this this whole story about skinwalker

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it's such an intriguing

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place first of all and congratulations

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on season three this is exciting you're

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going into season three and i was lucky

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to be able to uh have watched the

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premiere screener so i'm going to ask a

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couple of questions i'll try not to

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spoil anything as as we go along here as

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far as because that's coming out on may

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so uh but brandon

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first of all what made you decide to buy

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the ranch um as i said in the monologue

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you were anonymous for i think a few

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years and and so i want to know what

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made you decide to buy it and what made

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you decide to finally state that you

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were indeed the buyer of it

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good question i i had been involved with

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a an advanced physics project and

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program

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uh back in 2010 to 2013 and our science

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involved a couple of individuals who

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unbeknownst to me were also the science

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advisors to

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robert bigelow bigelow aerospace who of

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course is

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the previous owner of skinwalker ranch

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uh in 2015 those individuals reached out

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to me

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and asked if i would be interested in

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taking a meeting

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to discuss a potential joint venture or

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acquisition of this very enigmatic piece

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of property in northeastern utah not

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only because

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of my proximity

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to to the ranch being in salt lake city

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and in just a few hours away but also

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knowing that i had the resources

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to to engage and to potentially advance

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what had apparently been a

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a very active scientific investigation

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that between 2008 and 2013 was part of a

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pentagon funded black budget program

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of the sort and

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would be acquiring the property as a as

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an open-minded but skeptical individual

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and uh

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in april of 2016 acquired the property

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with no intention of ever revealing my

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identity as the owner in fact i i

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thought i'd go the rest of my life

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without ever

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revealing that i was the owner of the

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property simply because i didn't want it

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to conflict with or distract from my

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professional obligations as chairman of

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the largest commercial real estate firm

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in the intermountain west and also

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an entrepreneur

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associated with so many other

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enterprises and representing

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various companies and

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and entities and uh it wasn't until

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excuse me march of 2020

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that i eventually came out and uh was

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public with

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the fact that i was the owner had owned

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the property for a number of years and

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enter into a deal with the history

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channel to document the reality of our

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ongoing investigation at skinwalker

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ranch

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eric bard who is our principal

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investigator has been involved in this

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effort since 2016 as well and has

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quietly

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and vigilantly acted behind the scenes

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is as really the one that has designed

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the scientific platforms

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and uh and devices

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the uh the phenomenon the the activity

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on skinwalker ranch so we built a robust

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multi-disciplinary team that is now

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captured on uh the history channel

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series which is an unscripted series

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uh there is not one

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bit of dialogue that is scripted they're

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just simply

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uh documenting and and recording the the

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unraveling you know the unfolding

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investigation uh that we have ongoing

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so it's it's it's been quite a journey

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and it's a privilege to join you martin

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and my

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associate and partner in discovery eric

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bart

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now when i was talking with eric um off

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air before we went live um and i think

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it's going to be okay that i say this uh

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you know he says the history channels uh

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you know what we see is only like one

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percent of what is going on and what of

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course he's you know this is uh there

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he's there uh off and on year round um

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so it's a very small percentage of what

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actually is happening going on there

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yeah most of it ends up on the cutting

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room floor or you know a lot of it our

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investigation is is ongoing whether

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there are production professionals there

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to capture it or not we

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we try best to be collaborative

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and and we we use this up until this

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point as a vehicle to engage the public

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to allow the public a peek behind the

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curtain if you will uh relative to the

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reality of our investigation and the

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phenomena and

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so it's it's

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it's been an interesting journey you

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know we have a website you know www dot

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that we've also populated with

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with data and information that will

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actually allow the public to engage and

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provide i think some some insider access

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some behind the scenes

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uh details in the days ahead uh but the

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the history channel has been an

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incredible partner and we're very very

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to uh to unveil really season three here

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on may 3rd that

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presents 10 episodes documenting

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a large part of

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some of the the highlights of our

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activity this last year

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excellent eric

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do you ever have any trouble sleeping

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is it nerve-wracking sometimes

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i've wondered that you know i mean i i

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homestead three or whatever the other

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i can't imagine like being out there and

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as a dare to sleep overnight in a

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sleeping bag or something like that i

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you know i mean i mean what's it what's

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it like there and are you there alone a

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lot or is there other people around

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property who are generally here but uh

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there are periods of time when they're

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absent and you know i have

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off-putting or

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somehow daunting to be here doing this

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a dare well you know

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i wouldn't come here on a dare

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i would i wouldn't i wouldn't spend any

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time out in the homesteads on a dare not

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after the things i've seen

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um you know unfortunately i'm here with

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a purpose

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i think about is uh

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you know the way to capture things you

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know i know you have and it's you eric

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you're really involved in the the

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technical part and the equipment and

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what to have out there but is there um

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uh i had i had someone on my show last

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night that he's involved in this thing

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called sky360.org

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which is an open source situation where

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they have cameras they're going to try

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to get up to 150 000 cameras worldwide

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that are open source for people to see

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what's going on in the sky basically and

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it has a fisheye lens like aiming

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straight up you get the whole sky do you

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have anything at all like that aiming up

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of our most useful assets as you'll see

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again no spoilers but uh

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you see it

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um so yeah and i've been aware of of uh

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a few efforts of the kind that you just

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um really good ideas uh you know crowd

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sourcing the

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the search for uh data coming out of the

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skies you know to try to document

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um the uap phenomenon and and see if

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there are any correlative measurements

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meaning things like you know magnetic

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fields electric fields any anything else

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that we can measure when we see these

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things in the in the field of view of

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the cameras

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and um so i've been uh i've been

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involved with a few of those at least

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had discussions with uh you know at the

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system level you know how does that work

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uh you know is it a good match to what

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we're doing here

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well

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go ahead brandon yeah we've also had uh

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some discussion with uh dr abby lowe of

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harvard

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uh in the galileo project and have

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offered to

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to establish a

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you know a cooperative installation at

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skinwalker ranch to aid that effort

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uh

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we we're all about collaborating and the

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truth and and and being able to

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to drive the not only our investigation

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forward but also assist others relative

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to

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document and discover the nature of the

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phenomena

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that was one of my questions i was

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wondering since the series started

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brandon have you been approached by

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other scientists that are actually

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interested in doing some work there have

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you been approached like that

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numerous we've had numerous uh

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requests invitations to to to cooperate

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and i think it's important to note and

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you see this manifest on the docu-series

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we have had some incredible

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professionals

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come on site and collaborate with the

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team uh numerous third-party experts you

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know i i would dare say the leading

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fleer

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uh and and drone photogrammetry expert

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in

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scientists

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and experts

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engage with the team as part of this

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investigation

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we had a professor from the university

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of alabama

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who uh who you know is skilled at

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weather balloon

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experiments and uh and and that was a

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key part of you know some of our

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investigation in the past and something

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that we'll be revisiting as well as

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instrumented rocketry and uh

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and and other approaches

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to

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better understand the nature of what

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we're dealing with on skinwalker ranch

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now

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i guess this would be more or less a

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question for you eric i'm not not really

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sure but um and it's just you know your

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opinion

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is it possible that the ridge there

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might have something geologically to do

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with some of the things that

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are being witnessed there

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martin you're starting in exactly the

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same place i did um you know after my

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first visit to the property i was

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absolutely convinced there was no doubt

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at all that there's something going on

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and of course you know my background is

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in physics i'm a plasma physicist uh

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and

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i am looking for the mechanism for those

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things that we observed

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and it occurs to me that there's some

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really interesting stuff that can that

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can happen geologically with geophysics

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and atmospheric physics i like to say

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nature's got talent yeah you know and

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and uh you know people smile at me when

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i say that but i mean honestly um not to

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not to take the approach of a

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not to take a dismissive approach or the

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approach of a debunker or anything of

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that nature you know i want to start

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with with things that we can perhaps

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more easily get our heads around like

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uh any kind of processes that might be

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taking place

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in that mesa or even in the ground

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underneath the the property that could

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generate

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uh transient electromagnetic

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fields or even things like

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uh infrasonic

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bombardment of human beings you know

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that's known to create some some

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interesting sensory effects on on the

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human observer

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so your your question is right on i

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don't know if my answer was very good

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but uh your question goes right to the

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point

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yeah yeah no you know it's funny you

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mentioned this

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um

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the

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uh concept of maybe a reaction to being

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observed that type of thing and there's

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been a lot of talk a lot of people are

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uh suggesting that

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um it's like you know i'm sure you heard

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of the double slit theory where if

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there's observation it changes

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um so you you wonder if there's any

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difference because of the observation

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now i understand when nids was there

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years ago that things did not happen or

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you know a few things happened like the

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weird thing about the camera uh when

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they had all those cameras up on the

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poles things like that but still

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um there was silence it went quiet

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and um

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i don't know if anyone has ever

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documented

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like i mean that could very possibly

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happen again right

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i mean it could go quiet again

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everything could go quiet i think the

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answer is certainly yes um you know we

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don't have the buttons to push

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for the levers to pull

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to

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manifesting in any given circumstance

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you know we've been fortunate as you see

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in the documentary series that we've

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seen some things that are correlative

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with our work

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um you know brandon and i will often

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recite a mantra to each other

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correlation is not causation

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and

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indeed

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it's something that we've said to one

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another since 2016 you know trying to

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get our try to maintain our grounding in

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the interpretation of the unusual things

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that happen here but going back to your

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original question um martin it's always

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possible that uh that everything could

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go quiet

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um

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[Music]

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you know i think

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i i think coming into this

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um

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we took the approach of wanting to be

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minimally invasive

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uh if you will to change the crime scene

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as little as possible or none at all

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and so when we brought our uh

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observational tools things like uh

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camera assets

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you know we didn't really want to have a

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large uh electromagnetic footprint or uh

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you know scar up the earth or anything

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of that nature

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and so we've been we've been very

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light-handed uh i think what we see

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during the series uh

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is a bit more aggressive and a bit more

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proactive

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um but i have to tell you

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i'm getting interesting i'll call them

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events

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under both circumstances both when when

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there isn't much in the way of a human

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or technological presence on the ranch

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as well as during our filming

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interesting do you think that along

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those lines

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that animals there make any difference

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like catalog cattle or domestic animals

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make any type of difference there

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i'm interested in what you mean by make

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a difference do you think there's more

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activity when there's cattle there i i

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know that uh the sherp um

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sherman's had issues with their two dogs

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which was terrible and i don't know if

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any dogs have been out there since

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sure

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go ahead

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okay i will we we have this this

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wonderful black lab uh william

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who

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um i i think i think this will go to

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your point um this animal has been on

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the ranch at least

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since my first visit uh when i

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he introduced himself to me and i have

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to tell you sometimes

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it's pretty clear that that that the dog

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is sensing things in the environment and

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you'll see a very abrupt change in his

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demeanor and his behavior he's generally

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a very gentle natured dog but there have

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been a few times when he's become

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um

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aggressive

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at least very very loud and uh i

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wouldn't say violent but certainly

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uh i don't want to cross paths with him

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when he's acting like this and it seems

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to be in response to something in the

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environment

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um

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i realize that's kind of the

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complimentary answer to your question

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your question was whether things like

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cattle actually stimulate the

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phenomenology and i've just said well we

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have a dog for example that seems to

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respond to phenomenology

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well that's interesting though it's i

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think

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we've had incidents with

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animals

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on the property with with

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with livestock that

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have proven

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disturbing

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and mysterious i mean you saw in in

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season two we we brought out actually

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the the utah state veterinarian the the

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veterinarian for the state of utah was

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brought out from the department of

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agriculture to inspect the site inspect

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the uh

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the remains of uh this one particular

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uh

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animal this calf and you know he he was

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very disturbed you know caught you know

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captured on camera you know with with

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his statements and he proceeded to have

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tests run on the animal to see you know

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what would explain

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the bizarre lack of

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predator activity

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uh and he they came up with zero they

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came up with no answer which is in in

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and of itself an answer

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uh and and we we continue to see some of

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this manifest as part of the puzzle

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that we are trying to put together out

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on the ranch

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if i remember right that calf was in

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perfect order

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just hours before it was found is that

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is that right correct

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yeah so that is yeah that is quite the

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mystery um a couple of times uh during

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the show i might pop up some chat uh

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questions

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and uh so those of you that want to ask

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questions please put them in caps and

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i'm not sure if i'm gonna be able to do

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too much of that but here's one here has

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anyone try to try communicating with

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them

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i guess there's a lot there's other

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questions that need to be yes before

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that one that's that's a good question

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eric uh

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i'll let you take it i mean you actually

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have had a first-hand experience with

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communication

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out there

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yes um

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so i think we should lay the foundation

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for the answer otherwise it's going to

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make very little sense

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um uh martin you mentioned that you had

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read the the text uh that was written

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about the ranch uh by george knapp and

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i'm sorry

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um

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in that text you see

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uh some speculation on the parts of some

574
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,600
who've been involved with the research

575
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,679
that they were dealing with what they

576
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:15,679
termed a sentient

577
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,520
pre-cognitive non-human intelligence

578
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,360
um

579
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,039
it's kind of a mouthful

580
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,640
but basically what it means is there's

581
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,559
some kind of intelligence here that

582
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,960
that may even know what's what you're

583
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,480
going to do

584
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,880
uh before you do it

585
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,080
um

586
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,159
look you know this this wasn't my thesis

587
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,400
it was it was brought to us by those who

588
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,960
spent more time than i so far have on

589
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,559
this property

590
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,200
um and your question or the the the

591
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,799
question that came into the chat was has

592
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,720
anyone tried communicating well in fact

593
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,760
yes

594
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,480
and those efforts predate

595
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,559
our presence here you know under our

596
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,440
watch

597
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,840
that has been less of the emphasis

598
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,880
uh but it appears that

599
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,720
um

600
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,919
several

601
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,840
relatively simplistic measures were

602
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,960
taken

603
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,520
to elicit a response and to establish

604
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,679
some kind of line of communication

605
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,480
um with the phenomenon on the parts of

606
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:16,799
those who are here during the knits and

607
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,470
well let me ask you this and either one

608
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,559
of you or both of you can answer

609
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,080
this question

610
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,080
do you think we have an intelligence

611
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,360
involved here or is could part of it

612
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,760
have some type of intelligence

613
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,559
well i ca you know it's really really

614
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:38,159
tough to uh

615
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,490
to

616
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,760
[Music]

617
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,240
to make that case to defend it

618
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,000
but i can say that

619
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,960
as you know after the

620
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,559
the time that i've spent

621
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:50,400
either remotely engaging with the

622
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,279
property meaning through remote access

623
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,600
or being here physically

624
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,760
i absolutely sympathize with the

625
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,880
perspective

626
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,360
that there is an intelligence involved

627
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,039
there are some very

628
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:06,240
correlative

629
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,000
that have taken place

630
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,080
and it's extremely tempting to interpret

631
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,919
them as being

632
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,480
set into motion by some other or the

633
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:17,840
them that was referred to in the

634
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,350
thank you yeah makes makes me makes me

635
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,799
wonder some of the things that go on

636
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,120
there now i'm going to try to stay away

637
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,919
from any spoilers on the season premiere

638
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,080
but i do want to talk about one thing we

639
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,320
don't have to go into a lot of detail

640
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:36,240
but i'd like to talk about

641
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:37,120
the

642
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,320
um which is really bizarre i think one

643
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,039
of the most interesting parts of the

644
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
premiere

645
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,720
uh because this is a state of being a

646
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,960
very high end helicopter with

647
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,880
state-of-the-art equipment

648
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,880
and i believe it's your brother isn't it

649
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,799
brandon that's the castle

650
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,120
my brother is our our full-time pilot

651
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,520
runs aerodynamic which is our aviation

652
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,799
company is

653
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
is arguably one of the most skilled

654
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,480
pilots in the country

655
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,960
and we have a relatively new airbus

656
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,480
h-130

657
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,480
a helicopter that is equipped with the

658
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,600
latest

659
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,799
you know avionics instrumentation

660
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:19,039
uh and and even military grade night

661
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:20,320
vision but the

662
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,840
the radar altimeter that uh that is

663
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,720
is on the the helicopter when

664
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,240
you know the men were conducting

665
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,039
experiment above the triangle

666
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,120
and in over the property

667
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,000
registered some very disturbing

668
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,440
uh readings in fact it's it's

669
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,360
it's known it's a fact we documented

670
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,960
that something was tracking with the

671
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,000
helicopter 40 50 feet below

672
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,640
the helicopter even when he was

673
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,200
taking evasive action to try to to get

674
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,159
away from the the area and try to either

675
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,520
shake whatever

676
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:57,919
was was tracking with them or

677
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,799
or jostle the instrumentation

678
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,960
but to no avail

679
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,360
it was only after an extended period of

680
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,880
time

681
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,880
and in it becoming even more troubling

682
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,400
and a safety

683
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,720
concern that he called off

684
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,279
the uh and brought up short the the

685
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,480
flight and within seconds the

686
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,520
the

687
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,360
uh radar altimeter

688
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,240
uh showed that nothing was following and

689
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,640
you know whatever whatever was there

690
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,720
ended up disappearing and

691
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,760
uh was it was ceasing its activity there

692
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,600
with the helicopter but it was it was

693
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,480
baffling and i think we we bring to bear

694
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039
in this opening episode of the season

695
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:40,880
some additional data

696
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,159
and evidence that's that it helps

697
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,279
um

698
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,279
helps us understand the gravity of what

699
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,799
we're dealing with and and how real

700
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,679
uh the the phenomena is that this wasn't

701
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,520
just an equipment valve function this

702
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,640
was something

703
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,360
very real there was a very physical

704
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,080
uh interaction taking place

705
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,400
and something not oh pardon me go ahead

706
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,400
yeah eric was on board

707
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,720
i believe eric you and uh was it dr

708
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,279
taylor were on board as well

709
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,559
yes

710
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,720
and obviously this was not something in

711
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,679
the visible spectrum

712
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,360
you couldn't see anything

713
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,039
no yeah

714
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,799
not at the time

715
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,240
you know we've reviewed surveillance

716
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,760
footage and we've seen some interesting

717
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:27,360
things which we'll

718
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,120
we'll touch on in short order but uh

719
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,039
yeah it's

720
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,000
it's it's a continued concern

721
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,720
and so eric what was that like

722
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,159
well you know

723
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,720
i don't know if i was more curious or or

724
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,200
frankly more frightened by the uh

725
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,120
the events

726
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,960
look what happened is absolutely not

727
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,880
what we were expecting um

728
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,640
we

729
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:54,799
came up with a flight plan of uh some

730
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,159
concentric circles at various altitudes

731
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,240
and the intent was simply to take some

732
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,640
measurements with our spectrum analyzer

733
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,480
geiger counters you know the things you

734
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:06,000
see us using

735
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,200
routinely

736
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,440
and see if there was any any region of

737
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:12,159
interest any concentration of unusual

738
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,840
measurements or signals

739
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,440
and not unlike so much of what we do

740
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,240
here it turns out that that the intended

741
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,080
experiment yielded very little in the

742
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,640
way of data i for example i had the

743
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,080
spectrum analyzer running in the back

744
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,760
the helicopter and i didn't really see

745
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,880
anything

746
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,960
um

747
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,799
but but again you know we're looking for

748
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,039
an rf needle in an rf haystack right you

749
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,399
know i don't know that i was looking in

750
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,720
the right region of the spectrum uh for

751
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,640
what could have been uh present there in

752
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,840
that space above the ranch

753
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,000
now you know there are two

754
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,760
i i think anyone listening to this would

755
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,279
will beat me to this there are two

756
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,880
possible equally plausible

757
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,720
interpretations here one is that we're

758
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,960
looking at an actual return signal that

759
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,360
there was something 39 40 feet below the

760
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,600
helicopter tracking us the other is that

761
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:01,039
there's some sort of electromagnetic

762
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,000
assault

763
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,399
on the equipment itself uh effectively

764
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,159
spoofing that that measurement either

765
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:07,600
one of those

766
00:29:15,789 --> 00:29:13,840
germane to what we're doing out here

767
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,799
and there seems to be of the

768
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,840
electromagnetic thing seems to come up

769
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,000
quite a bit when it comes to that place

770
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,960
yeah particularly the magnetic you know

771
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,320
i don't know that i've made the case

772
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,320
very effectively at least in our public

773
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,440
facing work but i have a very strong

774
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,559
basis for um

775
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,520
for the interpretation that there is a

776
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,880
magnetic what i call a magnetic

777
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,600
fingerprint to the phenomenology i'm not

778
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,120
saying that anything magnetic is the

779
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,200
root cause of it i'm just saying that um

780
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,880
not unlike the wake of a ship or you

781
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,760
know some secondary effect their their

782
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,600
unusual events on on the property do

783
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,200
seem to be attended by magnetic

784
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,120
transients

785
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,120
here's a question is actually i was

786
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,880
going to ask a very similar question so

787
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,240
i thought i'd put it up there how far

788
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,240
from the ranch's property does the

789
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,200
phenomenon bleed out and you know mine

790
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,520
was i'm sure you know these type of

791
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,440
things have no boundaries

792
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
like property lines

793
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,440
so uh yeah what are you what are you

794
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,760
able to find out about how far out and

795
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,399
around the area well it's interesting we

796
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,640
we have the benefit of a historical

797
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,320
record that uh preceded us you know a

798
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,640
gentleman who passed away unfortunately

799
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,399
you know recently his name is joseph

800
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,760
junior hicks

801
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,880
who is a local science teacher and uh

802
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,559
very respected

803
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,240
uh you know

804
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,480
armchair historian had been

805
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:39,919
documenting since 1952

806
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,799
ufo activity and other strange events in

807
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,200
the uinta basin within close proximity

808
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,360
of this subject property

809
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,799
and we're talking

810
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,000
a a treasure trove of files and

811
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,200
documentation going back to 1952 under

812
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:56,640
his watch

813
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,080
um that that reported phenomena that of

814
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,480
course was was beyond the boundaries of

815
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,360
skinwalker ranch even though he attested

816
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,480
to the fact that he believed there later

817
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,399
in life that there was a high frequency

818
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,240
for whatever reason of activity that

819
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,399
seemed to be centered on the property

820
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,159
it is it is

821
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,559
a reality that

822
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,240
people in the uintah basin especially

823
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,760
those who've been there for an extended

824
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,200
period of time

825
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,600
have experienced and witnessed strange

826
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:27,840
phenomena and it isn't necessarily

827
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,310
uh yeah and what about the local native

828
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,760
americans

829
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,919
um there there there's

830
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,000
you know lore of you know of course

831
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,159
that's where the skinwalker you know the

832
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,679
name or the term comes from so uh yeah

833
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,440
what do you know about

834
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,640
about them for for generations

835
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,720
you know tribal leaders

836
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,240
have have

837
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:55,919
discouraged their people from even

838
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,880
looking the direction of the the ranch

839
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,200
due to the belief that it is in the path

840
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,440
of the skinwalker and

841
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:05,360
there's a demonic shape-shifting

842
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,559
presence

843
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,640
and that there was a curse placed on the

844
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,039
property that's that's where

845
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,440
the the name of the ranch is derived

846
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
from and

847
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,880
and i would say a good share of the

848
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,399
local community

849
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:19,519
uh

850
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,600
is very serious and sober minded

851
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,200
uh regarding

852
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,640
that topic we try to be sensitive

853
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:29,360
to

854
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,159
stewardship we've brought native

855
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,720
american uh leaders spiritual leaders

856
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,559
onto the property on several occasions

857
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,440
you've seen them on the the docu-series

858
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,760
uh that have interacted with our team on

859
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:45,679
on numerous occasions and we believe

860
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,440
that it has been important to respect

861
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,799
uh the the cultural traditions and and

862
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:54,559
the testimony

863
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,320
and uh feelings of those neighbors

864
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:59,440
that we

865
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,480
uh

866
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,880
enjoy a relationship with out there in

867
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,200
the uinta basin

868
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,760
uh brandon since you're up right now

869
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
i know you've looked into this i believe

870
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,799
you have anyway how long

871
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,039
have things been documented

872
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,320
out there

873
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,960
how far back have things been

874
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:21,360
happening there that is documented

875
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,640
relative to

876
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,519
the ranch the actual property the 512

877
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,279
acres that we

878
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,279
we have secure

879
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,679
we have we have documented

880
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:34,240
reports going back to about 1930 so

881
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,320
nearly 100 years of activity uh

882
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,240
interestingly we brought former law

883
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,640
enforcement on the property that have

884
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,039
have provided testimony

885
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,080
uh regarding events that occurred to me

886
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:50,480
one individual had responded to a number

887
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,360
of

888
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,519
very disturbing events and activity that

889
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,159
occurred during the 1980s long before

890
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,559
the shermans acquired the property this

891
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,799
was under the myers

892
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,880
family ownership

893
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,279
that spanned decades

894
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,399
but the testimony of law enforcement you

895
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,359
know former uh family or family of

896
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:14,000
former homesteaders that inhabited the

897
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,119
property

898
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,839
all combined to create a historical

899
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,119
record that is it's both very intriguing

900
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,480
and disturbing relative to the

901
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,200
the events that uh that now we are we

902
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,040
are documenting

903
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,359
so brandon in the future let's say you

904
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,399
know i mean congratulations on on season

905
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,480
three and you know

906
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,079
a lot of them never make it that you

907
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,440
know if these type of shows never make

908
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,599
it past you know the first season never

909
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,280
mind the second and the third so

910
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:45,520
congratulations on that but let's say

911
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,280
down the road say 10 years from now uh

912
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,359
do you have plans

913
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,720
for the ranch

914
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,119
after this whole thing is over what is

915
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,680
your your thoughts at this point well

916
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,760
the investigation doesn't exist because

917
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,839
of the docu-series on television the

918
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,359
docu-series is

919
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,560
is merely a you know a vehicle that we

920
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,680
have agreed

921
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,640
to engage in order to inform the general

922
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,599
public

923
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,359
and to allow them a peek behind the

924
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,119
curtain if you will

925
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,720
this is an ongoing scientific

926
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,599
investigation it spanned years under our

927
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,520
stewardship before there was any

928
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,640
docu-series or or production cameras and

929
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,359
and it'll continue i suspect long

930
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:28,720
long after

931
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,880
uh we're serious about this effort and

932
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,119
and we believe that this is uh this is a

933
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,480
very significant scientific endeavor

934
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,280
had did kenneth and eth myers ever talk

935
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,599
about things going on there they did to

936
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,520
law enforcement according to law

937
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,839
enforcement and other witnesses

938
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,880
they uh

939
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,720
they they not only

940
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,440
made calls and and actually brought

941
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,880
people out to

942
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:58,079
to document and assist them but it was

943
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,280
something that

944
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,880
that they'd experienced i mean

945
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:03,280
unfortunately they passed on

946
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:04,240
uh

947
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,760
decades ago and so all we have is is the

948
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,920
testimony of those who interacted with

949
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,079
them and were witness

950
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:14,240
to to the events that occurred on the

951
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,640
ranch and and and continued to persist

952
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,920
after

953
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,000
uh property was transferred to the

954
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,720
shermans and ultimately to the bigelow

955
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,640
era ownership

956
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:29,280
so when terry and gwen sherman

957
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,240
when

958
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,480
they were there in the very beginning

959
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,240
weren't they there with the meyers

960
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,079
didn't they live with the myers from no

961
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,760
no no

962
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,520
they acquired the property through

963
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,200
errors through the essentially the

964
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
trustee of the estate of of

965
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,079
the myers that the former owners they

966
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,680
they had passed

967
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,599
uh and in

968
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,680
in you know 19

969
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:52,839
was it

970
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,320
1994 they'd acquired the property

971
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:58,480
uh from the heirs and and ultimately

972
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,320
sold it you know by 96 to mr bigelow mr

973
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,720
sherman stayed on for a period of time

974
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,520
and

975
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,440
with mr bigelow

976
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,440
as part of that transition

977
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:11,280
that ultimately

978
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,160
uh

979
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,560
ultimately moved off the property and

980
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,880
they they

981
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,560
i don't want to speak on their behalf i

982
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,560
want to respect their privacy but they

983
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,240
they have not wanted to have anything to

984
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,079
do with the property or any

985
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,119
uh

986
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,280
any discussion about it i think they

987
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,440
attribute a lot of negative

988
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,119
negative things and activity in their

989
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:32,720
lives to their

990
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,000
experience on the ranch and uh and so i

991
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,480
want to be respectful of that

992
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,160
yeah i sure understand that especially

993
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,520
after reading

994
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:43,520
that book but who was the one who

995
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,550
the the do not dig lore well

996
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,200
it goes back i mean it's somewhat

997
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,800
it seemed to be at first a little bit

998
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,440
apocryphal to be honest i i haven't seen

999
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,079
anything in the the deeds the transfer

1000
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,720
deeds that uh that i analyzed relative

1001
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,640
to the property but i

1002
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,320
and i think it's important to note that

1003
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,320
you know we have soils tests that have

1004
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,560
been conducted we've had a lot of other

1005
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,560
um tests even recently in the last

1006
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,079
couple of years as part of the the

1007
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,680
docu-series

1008
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,079
uh effort that is that has been brought

1009
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,680
forward um you know analyzing the

1010
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,400
the geology of the property and you know

1011
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,560
what we're experiencing you can't go to

1012
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,560
a spot and find radioactive material on

1013
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,960
this property or any contamination

1014
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:33,599
uh it just simply doesn't exist that

1015
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,720
being said

1016
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,599
we are we are recording and dealing with

1017
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,320
some extreme electromagnetic

1018
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,960
disturbance radioactive energy that uh

1019
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,760
that is transient in nature on the

1020
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,160
property and i i this is the realm of

1021
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,240
eric bart so i'll shut up

1022
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,040
and pass the baton to my to my principal

1023
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,920
investigator all right eric you're on

1024
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,720
so

1025
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:58,560
you know to the to the question of uh

1026
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,839
you know go back to the question of

1027
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,960
digging

1028
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,920
um

1029
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,680
you know we've had a lot of really

1030
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,720
lively

1031
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,640
discussion and speculation about why

1032
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,800
that might have been um

1033
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,760
embedded in the in the narrative

1034
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,160
what could be the reason for and of

1035
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,480
course it's fun to speculate

1036
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,440
um

1037
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,440
concerning concerning whether digging

1038
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,640
poses any particular health hazard like

1039
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,400
what brandon was referring to

1040
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,160
any radioactive you know exposure to

1041
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,000
radioactive things that might be kicked

1042
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,160
up in the process of digging

1043
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,680
um

1044
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,760
you know we've we've had a a pretty

1045
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,880
thorough survey of the property uh for

1046
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,680
uh

1047
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,440
that type of thing

1048
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,480
and yes we've done some some drilling

1049
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:44,720
i guess digging

1050
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,069
here's the interesting part

1051
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,470
i i don't want to spoil anything so i

1052
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,400
have to figure out how to

1053
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,240
so it's

1054
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,480
sorry to interject but it's very evident

1055
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,119
if you look at the the 18 episodes that

1056
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,720
we presented to the public and what we

1057
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,880
have revealed so far that

1058
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,560
that disturbing events strange activity

1059
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,599
appears to attend to correlate with

1060
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,440
disturbing the earth on the property

1061
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,760
that's a fact that isn't something that

1062
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,480
is sensationalized or concocted nothing

1063
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,680
is scripted as much as people cry foul

1064
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,520
or they think that some that this is a

1065
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,880
scripted exercise or hollywood effort it

1066
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,079
it isn't it isn't and we have so many

1067
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:34,160
third-party experts that can stand

1068
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,680
witness and do

1069
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,319
actually publicly state you know what

1070
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,240
they what they experience on the ranch

1071
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,319
is part of this investigation but it

1072
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,280
it's a fact that for whatever reason

1073
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,359
uh disturbing the earth or conducting

1074
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,720
various active experiments at times

1075
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,359
seems to not only stimulate phenomena

1076
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:54,880
but also

1077
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,560
uh we've had some negative

1078
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,119
uh some very negative things happen

1079
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,160
that have seemed to correspond

1080
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,760
with some of that activity and and i

1081
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,079
think that's a that's a key part of our

1082
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,920
investigation and one reason why

1083
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,319
everyone who comes on this property has

1084
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,960
to sign a liability waiver

1085
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,720
there is danger here

1086
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,040
and it's it's not only danger relative

1087
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,079
to to conducting experiments or activity

1088
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,839
on the property but also

1089
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,200
uh that's

1090
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,240
people

1091
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,319
attest to the fact that

1092
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:30,240
they've been followed you know there is

1093
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:30,960
a

1094
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:52,800
this property

1095
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,560
uh even mr bigelow himself that refuse

1096
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,720
absolutely refused to ever set foot on

1097
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:00,839
this property ever again

1098
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,720
wow and it's it's not stated lightly i

1099
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,880
mean it it sometimes it's in violent

1100
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,280
opposition to any

1101
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,040
physical engagement with the property

1102
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,359
because of

1103
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,760
very disturbing negative things

1104
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,280
following them

1105
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,800
are you ever concerned about that

1106
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,589
of course

1107
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,520
yeah i assume

1108
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,200
i assume you're referring to the

1109
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,280
so-called hitchhiker effect exactly yeah

1110
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,720
i mean i was thinking about trying to

1111
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,200
make a visit out there if possible

1112
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,960
yeah i don't know if i want to

1113
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
well i remember speaking with you about

1114
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,560
that before we began yeah yeah my

1115
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,280
question was and is why would you want

1116
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,839
to do

1117
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,880
that uh

1118
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,280
i don't know why why would brandon want

1119
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,280
to buy the place why would you decide to

1120
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,440
do that you know it's it's interesting

1121
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,800
it's interesting

1122
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,520
yeah

1123
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,280
so human curiosity it's the next

1124
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,119
frontier i mean people

1125
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,040
yeah from the beginning of time have

1126
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,960
always you know it

1127
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,440
have always had a sense of

1128
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,400
curiosity and discovery that drives them

1129
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,359
and i think

1130
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,079
you know this ranch to some degree is

1131
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,680
symbolic and it's also a very physical

1132
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,200
place it's it's for a lot of people it's

1133
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,079
it's their mecca it's a mecca for the

1134
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,319
the paranormal and uh

1135
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,760
it it

1136
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,880
it holds a very unique position not only

1137
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,280
in public consciousness but as as as

1138
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,800
really a living laboratory i mean it it

1139
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,160
it stands

1140
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,480
that this is the the only property of

1141
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,200
its kind that has been studied

1142
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,800
and locked down

1143
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:41,920
for now

1144
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:44,560
over 25 years

1145
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,359
uh

1146
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,400
and and had everything from armed

1147
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:51,040
security officers and security presence

1148
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,839
to

1149
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,319
scientific instrumentation and

1150
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,079
surveillance

1151
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
in service to trying to find out what is

1152
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,240
really happening and and the nature of

1153
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:01,599
it

1154
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,880
i really can't you know i mean there are

1155
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,720
places in the world you know the hot

1156
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,760
spots so to speak uh usually

1157
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,800
um pertains to ufos you hear about ufos

1158
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,000
or maybe you hear about

1159
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,560
bigfoot or something in the northwest

1160
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,640
you know oregon and washington state or

1161
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,560
something like that or pennsylvania for

1162
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,839
some reason but um but you don't hear

1163
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,319
about them all together

1164
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,319
which is seems to be

1165
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,640
you know i mean

1166
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,160
just about everything you can think of

1167
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,079
has happened at the skin

1168
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,680
out there you know that people have

1169
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,599
witnessed

1170
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,800
you know

1171
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,599
in many cases it's multiple witnesses

1172
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:48,839
right i mean we multiple credible

1173
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,150
scientific instrumentation registering

1174
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,880
that there's something happening unusual

1175
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,599
and and at times acute medical episodes

1176
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,520
that appear to attend

1177
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,520
some of these events when you combine

1178
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,440
all of those things at once it it

1179
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:10,560
creates a very compelling

1180
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,640
record and data set to operate from

1181
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,680
do would you consider it more

1182
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,359
malevolent than

1183
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,750
oh

1184
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,440
i think we're we're definitely dealing

1185
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,119
with what appears to be malevolent

1186
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:29,119
forces as evidenced by

1187
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,079
the

1188
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,079
sustained that seem to be willful or

1189
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,520
intentional

1190
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,520
i think there have been

1191
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,280
individuals

1192
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,720
that have participated in the

1193
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,240
investigation that have found a more

1194
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,000
benevolent spirit

1195
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,480
a more peaceful presence

1196
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,640
and i think there's others that would

1197
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,160
attest to there being a presence but of

1198
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,079
being more benign

1199
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,960
in nature uh so i think we're we're

1200
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,280
interacting with the diversity

1201
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,640
of

1202
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,160
origins and agendas

1203
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,280
associated with this yeah uh brandon i i

1204
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,200
know you're a very successful person

1205
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,640
you've done very well

1206
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:11,280
in life but my question is

1207
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,079
um

1208
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,160
this for you to want to here's a

1209
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,560
question up here first of all um that

1210
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,319
someone's asking if you could bring in

1211
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,400
more scientists stuff like that

1212
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,319
these are this is money that's coming

1213
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,079
out of your pocket i mean how do you is

1214
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,040
this enough of a passion for you that

1215
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,280
again history channel's long gone you're

1216
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,920
on your own do you have thoughts of

1217
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,400
continuing on to try to get more and

1218
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:36,640
more answers as time goes on

1219
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,839
sure but i mean 95 of my bandwidth of my

1220
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,839
time is focused on conventional business

1221
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,400
interests and very serious obligations

1222
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:45,920
within that world

1223
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,359
i am so fortunate to have eric bart as

1224
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,960
our principal investigator and chief

1225
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,680
scientist that that is conducting the

1226
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,359
research

1227
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,079
we're seeking to collaborate i mean yeah

1228
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,000
that was a very fair question are we

1229
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,760
going to bring additional i think you

1230
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,160
see on the docu-series we've brought in

1231
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,000
you know beyond dr taylor we've brought

1232
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:07,520
in a host

1233
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,150
that that are experts in their field

1234
00:47:17,309 --> 00:47:16,240
whether that be experts when it comes to

1235
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,319
lidar

1236
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,040
photogrammetry clear camera systems or

1237
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,599
ground penetrating radar resistivity

1238
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,200
studies

1239
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,760
even those that come on the property to

1240
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,920
to test the environmental

1241
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:30,960
uh

1242
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,119
or potential

1243
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,520
aspects i mean we brought brought in a

1244
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:39,839
wide range of experts and we'll continue

1245
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,040
to do so in service to this ex this this

1246
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,800
whole exercise but

1247
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,200
i think it's important to note that that

1248
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,200
you know this we're right now still in

1249
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,760
the early stages we started off with

1250
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,680
this being more of an observational

1251
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,000
science enterprise

1252
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,400
trying to to number one verify that

1253
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,480
there really was something

1254
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:03,359
uh going on that that did merit

1255
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,160
uh the investment of not not only money

1256
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,559
you know monetary resources but also

1257
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,520
time

1258
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,400
and personnel of course we

1259
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,880
we moved past that and as as this

1260
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,200
process has evolved i think

1261
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,119
you know you you can continue to see

1262
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,559
that we'll be

1263
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,359
adding and uh strengthening our effort

1264
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,640
but it's

1265
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,839
you know it it's a process not an event

1266
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:32,079
and it's it some some days it's

1267
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,280
incremental

1268
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,079
uh and our our stewardship

1269
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,640
uh at times i think calls for a much

1270
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,000
more

1271
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,079
measured and methodical approach as

1272
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,599
opposed to just

1273
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,960
you know

1274
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,440
going great guns into this i i think to

1275
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,480
a degree

1276
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:49,920
we want to

1277
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,800
sensitive to what really

1278
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:58,720
is is truly going to yield the right

1279
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,599
type of data and results eric what would

1280
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,960
you like to add anything to that i'm

1281
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,160
sorry to

1282
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,040
take up all the time here oh not at all

1283
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,440
you know um

1284
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,559
i uh

1285
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,200
i guess it's

1286
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,760
it's worth mentioning that

1287
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,720
during

1288
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,839
the

1289
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,680
mids and bass

1290
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,520
era work

1291
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,800
there were

1292
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,000
plenty of

1293
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:26,240
advanced degree wielding scientists

1294
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,200
brought

1295
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,800
contact with the

1296
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,000
the data

1297
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,720
coming off of the property

1298
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,839
and

1299
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,040
respectful but i will say this

1300
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:41,119
concerning the handoff

1301
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,240
i think you know where i'm going with

1302
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,079
this brandon yep um stop me if if this

1303
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,079
doesn't feel right uh

1304
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:50,000
but at the time that brandon took over

1305
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,359
the property and there was a you know

1306
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,680
there was some briefing that took place

1307
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,559
i have to tell you that uh the

1308
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,480
the scientific or the informational

1309
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,400
deliverables that came out of out of

1310
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,760
that briefing

1311
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,280
were sparse

1312
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,559
at best

1313
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,960
yeah that's what i understand yeah yeah

1314
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,790
not only was it sparse but to interject

1315
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,359
we didn't even have connectivity

1316
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,520
uh that would support

1317
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,160
the platforms that you need in order to

1318
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,720
to conduct a program like this we we had

1319
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,359
to run power i mean

1320
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,920
just the infrastructure requirements

1321
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,160
alone in order to

1322
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:32,800
to establish the appropriate

1323
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,440
uh scientific platforms and capabilities

1324
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,280
on the property i think people have no

1325
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,200
idea and they underestimate

1326
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:40,400
what what

1327
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,440
it has

1328
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,480
required as far as financial investment

1329
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:47,040
and also time and attention in order in

1330
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,079
order to

1331
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,160
lay a proper foundation because we

1332
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,440
inherited

1333
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:52,960
merely a narrative we didn't really

1334
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,599
inherit a foundation or a robust

1335
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,599
technology platform or a system or even

1336
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,480
data

1337
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,880
um i bought the property essentially as

1338
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,240
is

1339
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,800
with the understanding that we were we

1340
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,079
were opening a new chapter and and i was

1341
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,319
okay with that i accepted

1342
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,119
that uh the handoff would occur without

1343
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,480
the benefit

1344
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,480
of that data or

1345
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,880
or more robust engagement or

1346
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,880
collaboration and i'm thankful for it to

1347
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
be quite candid

1348
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,720
it gave us a clean slate

1349
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,520
i think allowing us to enter this as

1350
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,119
healthy skeptics

1351
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,200
without being front loaded

1352
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,319
with you know potential you know data or

1353
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,640
or information that would have would

1354
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,480
have potentially distracted away from

1355
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,800
what we needed to do in order to to

1356
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,880
advance the program to where we are

1357
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,800
today i think all of that needs to be

1358
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,480
taken into account

1359
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,720
i was wondering how you felt about that

1360
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,280
and uh that you weren't handed off any

1361
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,640
of that and i realized some of it was

1362
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:54,960
you know government and maybe some of it

1363
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,640
was even classified but but also um has

1364
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,640
anyone from nids

1365
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,680
um

1366
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,280
ever which is

1367
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,280
was stands for national institute for

1368
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,200
discovery science i think

1369
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,680
but has anyone from that visited the

1370
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,319
ransom since you've owned it

1371
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,440
you bet

1372
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,640
open

1373
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:17,839
dialogue

1374
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,319
it's been somewhat one way at times but

1375
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,240
uh and that's not a criticism it's just

1376
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,720
we we're independently advancing the

1377
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,000
program but we

1378
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,839
we have great respect

1379
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,559
for our predecessors and we've we've

1380
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,960
been fortunate to have a number of them

1381
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,200
come back to the property engage with

1382
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,520
the team and provide thoughtful

1383
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,520
um feedback

1384
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,760
and perspective and we're thankful for

1385
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:43,920
that i i'm thankful for robert bigelow i

1386
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,720
have to applaud his efforts i think it

1387
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,599
took a lot of courage for him to to to

1388
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,680
not only go public

1389
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,720
with the uh with the fact that he he was

1390
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,559
interested in these topics but also

1391
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:58,160
putting his money where his mouth was

1392
00:53:04,470 --> 00:52:59,040
and

1393
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,480
delving into these areas uh i i have

1394
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,520
nothing but but respect and for those

1395
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,440
who've gone before us and i hope that

1396
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,440
our stewardship and our effort

1397
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:15,040
is a fitting tribute and advancement

1398
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:16,000
uh

1399
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:16,800
to

1400
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,599
you will decades ago

1401
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,920
i like when you use the word stewardship

1402
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,559
because that's all we really do in life

1403
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,440
is you know we may own a property but

1404
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,920
it's it's just a little segment of time

1405
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,400
and time moves forward and yeah we are

1406
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,800
taking care of these things as as it

1407
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,200
moves through time well and and martin

1408
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,040
we're not in control

1409
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,280
let's let's just be candid i mean

1410
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,440
whatever we are dealing with

1411
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,480
is one two three steps ahead of us right

1412
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,200
if we if we happen to get

1413
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,599
even the tiniest bit full of ourselves

1414
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,400
and think that we are in any way control

1415
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,079
of our environment

1416
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,000
and uh and

1417
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,839
that's uh and and fail to recognize that

1418
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,319
the magnitude of what we're dealing with

1419
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,839
the advanced physics that is obviously a

1420
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,920
play um i think it you know we seem to

1421
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,599
be quickly reminded

1422
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,240
and humbled

1423
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,800
right right um i'm going to try to pop

1424
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:20,480
up a couple of questions here we only

1425
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,920
have it on

1426
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,079
bring up about six minutes now i think

1427
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,079
this was in season one perhaps didn't

1428
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,839
you find a cave or something wasn't

1429
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,280
there something they found on on the

1430
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,920
right uh we found a void where we're

1431
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,319
actually you'll see this this effort

1432
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,119
continue to evolve where we are

1433
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,880
um i think responsibly uh testing and

1434
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,880
and delving into this

1435
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:43,920
uh

1436
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,520
we have any definitive conclusions of

1437
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,720
you know we we have we're reserving some

1438
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,799
of the key insights

1439
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,319
that uh

1440
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,760
that we've gained over the course the

1441
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,240
last few months and uh we

1442
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,680
are planning a number of additional

1443
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:05,520
activities moving forward did that sum

1444
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,079
it up eric

1445
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,240
that's a good way to put it yeah sure

1446
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,559
so but to the question of have we found

1447
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,400
a cave

1448
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,559
uh you know as brandon has indicated we

1449
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:17,680
found

1450
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,000
but nothing

1451
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,559
nothing that um

1452
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,400
would compare to what we think of when

1453
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,079
we think of a big you know big cave like

1454
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,240
you know i'm from kentucky uh you know

1455
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,400
i'm not far from mammoth cave you know

1456
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,599
nothing like that

1457
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,160
yeah these are the the cave systems that

1458
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,640
we have in the mesa uh while you can

1459
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:41,040
climb into them and they're very real

1460
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:42,079
are uh

1461
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,760
are dangerous and uh and in some cases

1462
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,000
shallow or very narrow and so we're

1463
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:50,160
having to use instrumentation and great

1464
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,040
care

1465
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,000
in exploring and and and really

1466
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,960
analyzing what we're dealing with so uh

1467
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,920
that's

1468
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,160
to be continued and we look forward to

1469
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,480
revealing some key insights in the weeks

1470
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,920
ahead

1471
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,200
now here's uh

1472
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,640
i think i know the answer to this a

1473
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,760
little bit but

1474
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,359
is the utah state government still

1475
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,520
showing interest in this in the

1476
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,680
investigation

1477
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,440
well yes

1478
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,000
the state utah state attorney general

1479
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,680
sean reyes uh has asked repeatedly for

1480
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,920
uh for a follow-up briefing and will be

1481
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,920
engaging with the team i suspect in the

1482
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,520
very near future

1483
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,920
um i've kept him posted you know kept

1484
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,520
him posted on on how things have

1485
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,400
progressed um episode one on may 3rd

1486
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,280
that is about to air will show that uh

1487
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,200
that there really has been an elevated

1488
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,200
interest from you know government

1489
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,799
officials and

1490
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,960
and uh i i don't want to say anything

1491
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,720
further other than i think people will

1492
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:48,720
be surprised this isn't something you

1493
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,319
just conjure up or fabricate i mean this

1494
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,240
property is a

1495
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,480
is a place of interest and what we're

1496
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,359
dealing with is is

1497
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,160
is serious and it rises

1498
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:04,720
it goes far beyond the state and it goes

1499
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,599
to the federal level

1500
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,440
i i may have something to add to that

1501
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,680
brandon oh yeah go ahead

1502
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,040
some late

1503
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,960
late breaking news

1504
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,640
news i suppose

1505
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,920
um today at 12 43 p.m we had a black

1506
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,799
hawk

1507
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,400
flying about at about a thousand feet

1508
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,640
above the property doing circles

1509
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,400
um well i'll show you the data later

1510
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,720
right who who has it registered to who

1511
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,559
is it registered to

1512
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,789
really now that's that's that's

1513
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,559
interesting

1514
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,480
yeah yeah so so of course i've got you

1515
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,880
know i've got the we've got the data

1516
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,000
um

1517
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,680
fortunately this is an example of an

1518
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,520
aircraft that was transponding so i

1519
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,440
could identify the thing and of course

1520
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,760
it shows up in our surveillance footage

1521
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,559
um

1522
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,480
and like you know we'll we'll review it

1523
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,839
brandon but uh

1524
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,599
you know this goes to the question of is

1525
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,680
there interest in the property well

1526
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,680
you know that circle that that you see

1527
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,119
on the map wasn't throughout the entire

1528
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,680
basin it was right over this property i

1529
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,000
love why i'd love to know why that that

1530
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,359
happens that's not a that's not a first

1531
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,240
um it's something that happens uh a few

1532
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:15,680
times a year

1533
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,400
yeah

1534
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,400
i'd love to know what motivates it

1535
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:20,160
there's there's a lot going on so the

1536
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,540
answer simply put martin is hell yes

1537
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,240
[Laughter]

1538
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,359
well uh this this has been a real

1539
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,680
interesting show and we have a we had a

1540
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:33,599
lot of questions i'm sorry

1541
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,799
um

1542
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,400
let's see

1543
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,040
uh i know people are asking different

1544
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,839
things like uh bob bigelow you already

1545
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,359
said he doesn't even want to step foot

1546
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,119
on the property no

1547
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,599
do you uh do you ever have to call him

1548
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,559
about i mean i don't know it's no it's

1549
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,440
completely out of the picture yeah

1550
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,160
yeah yeah we we've we've kind of grown

1551
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,750
as much as we appreciate the the efforts

1552
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,040
of those who

1553
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,520
came before us uh we're

1554
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,760
we're kind of in a different level uh

1555
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,240
relative to the

1556
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:11,440
the

1557
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:17,599
effort i

1558
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,720
i i'm not troubling mr bigelow and uh

1559
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,040
and and although i'd welcome any

1560
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,760
collaboration i think he's he's the

1561
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:28,000
reason why chuckle is he he's busy right

1562
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,880
now

1563
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,720
positioning to be

1564
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,880
the real estate developer of space and i

1565
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:35,040
kid you not i mean robert bigelow is a

1566
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,240
visionary

1567
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,640
he has his b module currently up on the

1568
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,400
international space station he's the

1569
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:42,799
only entrepreneur on the planet that has

1570
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,520
his own space stations in orbit he has

1571
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,599
so many other things going on

1572
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,839
i think he's i think he's quite pleased

1573
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,920
with how we're uh

1574
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,680
we're handling our stewardship of the

1575
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:55,839
property and uh and

1576
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,440
and we're excited to continue to reveal

1577
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,599
what we are learning to the public which

1578
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,319
is a very different

1579
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:06,960
scenario compared to the past i don't i

1580
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:09,839
i don't want to belabor this but

1581
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,040
this we have been more transparent

1582
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,040
more collaborative more engaged with the

1583
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,680
public relative to the phenomena and

1584
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,599
what is happening with our investigation

1585
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,599
than any other investigation that i'm

1586
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,960
aware of period show me another

1587
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,200
show me another effort that is actually

1588
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,799
opening their doors

1589
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,200
and engaging the public and and another

1590
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,440
individual like me or even our principal

1591
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,760
investigator that has been willing to

1592
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,559
put their reputations on the line and be

1593
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,960
open and directly communicative with the

1594
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:43,599
public good luck

1595
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,480
yeah

1596
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:46,640
no very good point and i was thinking

1597
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,839
when you're talking about bigelow i

1598
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:49,760
wonder what it would happen if he was

1599
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,710
i think i think mr bigelow

1600
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,720
could care less what the public thinks

1601
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,599
and exactly over the decades he's pretty

1602
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,559
much exactly as much yeah he pretty much

1603
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,599
uh

1604
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,520
and this isn't a criticism it's just a

1605
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,480
statement of fact he he could care less

1606
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,400
what people wanted everyone would cry

1607
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,079
for more information and data and he

1608
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,559
pretty much met that was silence

1609
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,960
and i i think we're demonstrating the

1610
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,960
opposite and again that's not an

1611
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,359
indictment of mr bigelow i think he had

1612
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,680
his reasons and i respect them and i

1613
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:28,160
respect him immensely

1614
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,119
um

1615
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:32,160
but i but we are trying to to advance

1616
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,960
this

1617
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,880
in a different direction and i hope that

1618
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,079
people uh

1619
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,799
are uh are gaining something from it

1620
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,359
yes well uh it's very enjoyable it's

1621
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,680
been a real enjoyable night uh history

1622
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:45,280
is the secret of skinwalker ranch

1623
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,319
returns for season three tuesday may 3rd

1624
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,160
at 10 p.m et

1625
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:52,960
uh and before moving to its regular time

1626
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,520
slot of 9 p.m et um slash pt thank you

1627
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,160
so much it's been just a real pleasure

1628
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,000
really enjoyed it a lot thank you